Champion gifts:

Legifer: Scroll of Magic Mapping (only usable once but shows the WHOLE level you are in)
Atavus: Already Scroll of Wishing?
Dulcis: Lyre of Charm.
Seges: A bread that has veery high nutrition value, and doesn't spoil.
Sophos: Amulet of Charging (charges a wand every 24 hours) - Idea by my brother

Silva: Polymorphs you into a huge wolf.
Loricatus: Grants you limitless Scroll of Repair as a repair hammer.
Mellis: Raises your relations with all gods.

Cleptia: Gives you a permanent haste.
Nefas: Gives a Hula-Hula Doll that you can sell for 3000.
Scabies: Gives you a weapon with small damage, but it contracts leprosy to enemies it hits.
Infuscor: Gives you Staff of Striking (a limitless wand of striking)
Cruentus: Increases your ASTR and LSTR by 5.

Maybe Mellis should give a Pick that never breaks instead Apple

So you can become the ultimate Gold Miner

I don't know, since pick-axes are linked to Loricatus...

Good point... What about a Metal Detector?

Often you reach a plateau that is hard to get over, especially with wis/int and you need just a few more points to get to 40





so avoid the fancy flames and make it a red hot weapon. make a new material class of red hot XXXX that has red colors and give weapon burning ability





Because it is funny and will fool people into drinking it, but there are a few ways that a smart IVAN player would use this to his advantage.







Nah, an Orc would eat Genetrix for lunch. She may be strong when you have 12 AS and shitty armour but she's a pansy (pun intended - get plant-pansy huh huh, c'mon its not that bad) even a goblin could do her in.

you didn't like my ring idea, what about making rings enchantable then.

Legifer: SODM already does this. I think its a crappy gift
Seges: Bread? Crappy gift. who needs bread if you know seges
Sophos: amulet of charging - too powerful
Silva: I don;t want to be a wolf
Loricatus: praying to him already is a limitless scroll of repair (except for artificial limbs) 9 times a day he can repair items
Nefas: Money is useless, its easy enough to make already (UT4 or praying to silva)
Infuscor: too powerfull

Not really.





Why would Loricatus do this? I can see things likea weapon splashing hot iron on people but.. just hot and burning?





It's.. not funny. It's pretty cheesy and what I'm trying to avoid in my own patches.





Unless you count in her constantly summoning greater carnivorous plants, so she'd essentially be like a Aliens queen.

Goblins don't get cargo loaders.





That's probably overpowered but I could see about a guy in town who does it for a ridiculous amount and some strange items.





Legifer: That's silly and not worth the time. It also doesn't make sense for the god of law and order. A new scroll that does massive damage to nearby chaotic enemies, maybe or any other number of ideas.
Atavus: That's actually remotely worth it.
Dulcis: Easy enough to find in most games.
Seges: WOO BREAD THAT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT EVEN THOUGH SEGES FILLS YOU USUALLY WHEN YOU PRAY
Sophos: The god of knowledge shouldn't have that! That's not his territory D:





Silva: woohoo there goes my chances of living
Loricatus: He's already a limitless scroll of repair and also my best buddy.
Mellis: But he already does this each prayer, partially!





Cleptia: RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE GAME IS OVER
Nefas: ??? That is not useful
Scabies: Why not stick with a venom blade?
Infuscor: Overpowered.
Cruentus: Massively, massively underpowered.

About Silva turning you into a wolf, what if she turns you into a werewolf that can equip? I've got werewolves that can equip in a dungeon I've been thinking of.

Have you tried my ommel vomit? A liquid that works as all the ommel fluids combined, but is extremely acidious... >=)

Ive heard that it isn't possible to simply expand the "Graphics" files as they are... (as in it isn't as easy as simply making them larger PSX files)

So I guess Ill add

Expand the PSX files or find a way to make the game look in alternate files for graphics. (especially needed for Humanoid and Items that are really stuffed)

I love the idea of champion gifts - the gods always seemed to me to be a bit lame without such ultimate rewards - though not the gifts as proposed by apple as such...

I guess most useful gifts would just be weapons or armor. Seges could have a ring that would reduce energy loss (or protect items from spoiling), and maybe an unrechargeable wand of wishing for Atavus?

A monster that steals your name. When he gets on your high-score list, you don't know who he is.

I don't like the Champion items idea if they are implemented like the current ones.

Currently if you get Valupurus's shield or sword, or Mortifer's mace, you can't pray to that god again for 3 days. Atavus's Armor is better...but you still can't pray to him for 6 hours.


The champion artifacts would need to be pretty damn spectacular to justify losing the god(ess)'s normal prayer effect for 3 days. It is only worth it for Val and Mort because they have no normal prayer effects.

True, but the mechanics could be changed. By getting the Champion reward from one of the gods, you wouldn't be able to get another one from any of the other gods - and perhaps other gods' happiness would drop. Nothing as severe as the once-proposed "crowning by one god only" idea, but a small penalty nonetheless. Oh, and of course, you could only get the Champion gift once.

And if we talk about an increased prayer timeout, the gift should be something really nice to justify it. Certainly not 3 days, though.





He doesn't do much else, now does he?

(if my calculations are correct, it takes roughly 3 hours for prayer to be safe, so 6 hours aren't THAT bad either)

Ps. Another idea: Make sacrifices decrease the time until your next possible prayer (I can't really tell if anything like that exists now).

How about when you get crowned, it gives you a special artifact that you can't get anywhere else? And also, what about a monster that does no damage but changes your limbs? It would really suck if a Limber changed your head into air and then a kobold stabs it and you die. But if you eat it's corpse you can choose what limb to change, but you could only choose what kind of material if you had like a ring of limb control or something.

Meh, a limb-changing monster just sounds like it would be frustrating as hell. IVAN doesn't need random WTF deaths, it needs deaths where you say "Damn I should have played that better."

Haha. Thinking about it, it might be nice to have something like a "ring of sticking together" that would prevent, or at least protect, against limb loss (you would still get them damaged and wouldn't be able to use them, but your limbs wouldn't have got severed, or the chance of that would be lower).

Also, I think IVAN would look nice with some more weapons and equipment from various island cultures to play more on the "New Attnam" theme - something like eskrimas, krises, katars, parangs, machetes, etc.

I'm not sure India is an island.

1 - A Giant Slime enemy that vomits smaller slimes. Name it Blob, and make it speak french!

2 - The Dullham. Comes in Male and Female Varieties. A armored humanoid that has armor that can't be removed from itself unless its broken off. The best part however, is it's head. It can survive, even if it's head is sliced off. The head feels what the body feels, and vice versa. Destroy the head, the Dunham will die. Destroy the body, and the Dunham is nothing but a severed head, that talks. They will attach it's head back to it's body, if they can, and will protect it.

3 - The Attnamatons in IVAN.

These ideas were brought to you by Sophia. ^^

I was thinking Sri Lanka, but fine. Scratch that katar.

@Zayre. All good ideas. Sophia is thanked. And I think it's 'Dullahan'.

@Everyone. What if you could bottle up or can up things like dark frog blood that was on the floor? Then you would throw it at enemies and watch their limbs melt >

What's the point of putting a potion mixed in dirt to a bottle? It's probably ruined anyway. If the floor is metal, I think you could lick it...

It would still work, it would just be weakened. The degradation of the potion would be equivalent to the time spent on the ground, but as you said, if the floor was metal, the liquid wouldn't dilute. Also, maybe there could be a scroll of blood changing, where you could choose what you bled, or choose not bleed at all, for a limited time. Maybe there could also be trolls, that would bleed(Of course) troll blood, and their arms and legs would constantly regenerate.

I have long thought of having the creatures of whom materials are made in IVAN, ever since I had the idea to introduce a troll in the original Co-Op Fiction

But then it would only be fair if you needed some gloves protection or yours hands would get hurt... and the game would become a second NetHack





Guessing from the amount of troll hide items, trolls could be pretty much extinct in the Ivan world by now, heh.

(I still would like to meet an ommel, though!)