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capristo
Sep 18, 2009, 3:12 pm

Problem: this website is the #1 search result for \"attnam\"
But for \"iter vehemens ad necem\" it still hasn\'t shown up by page 4.
It seems like people are much more likely to search for the latter
Any suggestions for boosting the ranking?

chaostrom
Sep 18, 2009, 3:16 pm

Use \"Iter Vehemens Ad Necem\" more?

EDIT: Now there is a link to here on page 3.

Ernomouse
Sep 19, 2009, 6:15 am

Wow, chaostrom, you\'ve got power!

Alveradok
Sep 19, 2009, 2:16 pm

Ha, I spotted us on page 2 already!

capristo
Sep 19, 2009, 2:38 pm

Haha, great work guys

chaostrom
Sep 19, 2009, 2:50 pm

Holy shit. I actually didn\'t think it\'d be this effective.

Guess this is why I\'m the Grand Visor...

capristo
Sep 19, 2009, 2:51 pm

hmm.. just searched again and I see a link to the wiki on page 3, but no link to the forum so far on page 10

Yahoo has us on page 2 though

chaostrom
Sep 19, 2009, 2:53 pm

Damn, what happened?

Alveradok
Sep 19, 2009, 4:40 pm

The link to the wiki is the ~34th result when searching through google.pl.

BDR
Sep 19, 2009, 7:31 pm

Frankly, I think it\'d be more useful to make us show up higher for I V A N itself, rather than the Latin. How many people do you really think are going to remember how to spell the Latin?

Edit: I really was hoping that was shoutbox-only. :sigh:

chaostrom
Sep 20, 2009, 1:47 am

I believe it\'s time for plan B.

The first page of results are all game review sites, we ought to go give \'em our link.

capristo
Sep 20, 2009, 5:08 am

Don\'t worry BDR I\'m going to change it. It was sort of just a joke but I was also curious if it would have any effect.

btw, typing it not using all caps bypasses it as well.

The problem with using \"Ivan\" is that there are just so many different Ivans aside from the game. Of course, the official website does show up as result #2, but the rest of the results are all referring to people / companies. Maybe \"Ivan rpg\" or \"Ivan roguelike\" would be terms we should aim for

capristo
Sep 20, 2009, 5:57 am

Oh and by the way, you may notice some links look like this:
http://www.attnam.com/viewtopic.php?t=732

While others look like this:
http://www.attnam.com/topics/732/google-search

As you can imagine, the latter will definitely be more helpful with search engines. I just need to go through and make sure all the links are consistent.

Z
Sep 20, 2009, 10:46 am

Maybe there are too many keywords in headers, which makes each of them less important? Just an idea, I don\'t know how exactly headers help search engines... But I think some of these keywords are not useful.

4zb4
Sep 20, 2009, 10:52 am

You might consider converting the ancient IVAN website into a huge signpost pointing viewers towards these forums. God knows who has the power to do that now.

Oh, and if the name of this website was www.Itervehemensadnecem.com it would likely be the first result on a google search for \"Iter Vehemens ad Necem\".

Z
Sep 20, 2009, 11:06 am

There should be a link from the wiki to the forum, or the main page. I also see that www.attnam.com in general has a very low page rank, placing links to it in various places would help. Is it really impossible to get Hexii or Holybanana to add just this small link on the official website? I have no idea for other places.

EDIT: OK, there is a link from the wiki to the forum, but it is hard to see.

capristo
Sep 21, 2009, 4:55 am

I added a more prominent link to the wiki.
It would definitely be really helpful if we had the link added to sourceforge.

Our page rank is 1/10. Isn\'t that a measure of how popular the website is across the entire internet? For something devoted to just one RPG, I don\'t know if we can expect any better than that.

Z
Sep 21, 2009, 11:25 am

http://www.adom.de/ is also devoted to one roguelike RPG and has pagerank of 5. Of course we are less popular than ADOM, but I suspect our pagerank should be something like 3.

Pagerank is somehow related to the structure of the links in Internet, meaning that if good sites link to us, we are also good. A sourceforge link would be definitely helpful.

Eagle V
Sep 21, 2009, 12:30 pm

Pagerank depends on two things: how many links link to us, and the pagerank of those that link to us. Saying IVAN a lot won\'t help that much, exchanging links with other sites will.

capristo
Sep 21, 2009, 5:05 pm

I see. There are quite a few gaming websites linking to ours though... I checked their pageranks and they\'re all in the 3-5 range. These are just the most recent that visitors have come from, but there have been more in the past.

http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=IVAN
http://jayisgames.com/archives/2008/11/weekend_download_64.php
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Roguelike
http://libregamewiki.org/Iter_Vehemens_ad_Necem

My other website is much bigger than this one and has many links from high page-rank sites (several with 6-8), yet also has a pagerank of 1/10

capristo	Sep 18, 2009, 3:12 pm
Problem: this website is the #1 search result for \"attnam\" But for \"iter vehemens ad necem\" it still hasn\'t shown up by page 4. It seems like people are much more likely to search for the latter Any suggestions for boosting the ranking?

chaostrom	Sep 18, 2009, 3:16 pm
Use \"Iter Vehemens Ad Necem\" more? EDIT: Now there is a link to here on page 3.

Ernomouse	Sep 19, 2009, 6:15 am
Wow, chaostrom, you\'ve got power!

Alveradok	Sep 19, 2009, 2:16 pm
Ha, I spotted us on page 2 already!

chaostrom	Sep 19, 2009, 2:50 pm
Holy shit. I actually didn\'t think it\'d be this effective. Guess this is why I\'m the Grand Visor...

capristo	Sep 19, 2009, 2:51 pm
hmm.. just searched again and I see a link to the wiki on page 3, but no link to the forum so far on page 10 Yahoo has us on page 2 though

Alveradok	Sep 19, 2009, 4:40 pm
The link to the wiki is the ~34th result when searching through google.pl.

BDR	Sep 19, 2009, 7:31 pm
Frankly, I think it\'d be more useful to make us show up higher for I V A N itself, rather than the Latin. How many people do you really think are going to remember how to spell the Latin? Edit: I really was hoping that was shoutbox-only. :sigh:

chaostrom	Sep 20, 2009, 1:47 am
I believe it\'s time for plan B. The first page of results are all game review sites, we ought to go give \'em our link.

capristo	Sep 20, 2009, 5:57 am
Oh and by the way, you may notice some links look like this: http://www.attnam.com/viewtopic.php?t=732 While others look like this: http://www.attnam.com/topics/732/google-search As you can imagine, the latter will definitely be more helpful with search engines. I just need to go through and make sure all the links are consistent.

Z	Sep 20, 2009, 10:46 am
Maybe there are too many keywords in headers, which makes each of them less important? Just an idea, I don\'t know how exactly headers help search engines... But I think some of these keywords are not useful.

4zb4	Sep 20, 2009, 10:52 am
You might consider converting the ancient IVAN website into a huge signpost pointing viewers towards these forums. God knows who has the power to do that now. Oh, and if the name of this website was www.Itervehemensadnecem.com it would likely be the first result on a google search for \"Iter Vehemens ad Necem\".

capristo	Sep 21, 2009, 4:55 am
I added a more prominent link to the wiki. It would definitely be really helpful if we had the link added to sourceforge. Our page rank is 1/10. Isn\'t that a measure of how popular the website is across the entire internet? For something devoted to just one RPG, I don\'t know if we can expect any better than that.

Z	Sep 21, 2009, 11:25 am
http://www.adom.de/ is also devoted to one roguelike RPG and has pagerank of 5. Of course we are less popular than ADOM, but I suspect our pagerank should be something like 3. Pagerank is somehow related to the structure of the links in Internet, meaning that if good sites link to us, we are also good. A sourceforge link would be definitely helpful.

Eagle V	Sep 21, 2009, 12:30 pm
Pagerank depends on two things: how many links link to us, and the pagerank of those that link to us. Saying IVAN a lot won\'t help that much, exchanging links with other sites will.