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Comrade
Apr 11, 2008, 9:56 pm

Why is that when i play IVAN sometimes my char goes throught his life time and levels up a few times and i start over and i level up like crazy but im weeker than my first one. Why is that?

Also, what does vomiting do but vomit out parasites?

What does the ring of infravision do?

BDR
Apr 11, 2008, 11:12 pm

You'll have to clarify as to which stat you're having issues with. However in general I can say that starting statistics are randomized within a range, which means that you will sometimes have 11 leg strength and sometimes start with just 9. Arm strength is mostly only improved by wielding heavy things (such as two-handed swords, maces, and certain quarterstaves), while leg strength is only improved by carrying a lot of weight (you'll see the fastest improvement in this stat while stressed).

Vomiting can be useful for making metallic walls easier to dig through. For example, there is a certain 3x3 vault with no door made of meteoric steel. If you don't vomit on it and don't have, say, an adamantine pick on hand, you're not gonna be able to get through to the chest inside. However, with a few V's on the same wall and a bit of waiting, the wall will rust to the point where you can hack through it with a copper pick. Vomiting on an altar of Scabies also increases your favor with her (though why you'd want favor with her when there are far more useful gods/goddesses to talk to, I don't know). Other than that, vomiting also can be used to decrease your satiation level (which might be handy if you don't want to be bloated/overfed).

Infravision allows you to see warm-blooded invisible creatures, even if they don't possess a mind (which is a necessity for someone using ESP instead).

Comrade
Apr 12, 2008, 2:38 am

Ok thank you, that clears up alot of things.

Neonivek
Apr 12, 2008, 5:59 am

The Tip aad tricks is the section for this to my knowledge...

Vomiting has another use.

If you vomit on creatures it does damage to them over time

The best use of this is Floating Eyes. If you vomit on them (several times is good) they will eventually perish.

Vomit is my favorite Floating Eye killer.

Though mind you... that it may not be the best strategy...

Cerumen
Apr 12, 2008, 12:39 pm

You can also vomit on doors if you lose your leg(s) and the door is locked, particularly in UT.

Comrade
Apr 13, 2008, 8:17 pm

Why does my turox disappear?

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Ernomouse
Apr 13, 2008, 8:58 pm

If you found it in a chest containing plenty of zomg material, it's a fake. Or, if you are on the mystical dark frog level, the frog makes them go away. But I think that in that case the game would tell you that they teleport away. I'm not sure.

chaostrom
Apr 14, 2008, 5:20 am

No, if it's teleported away it just says it disappears.

Comrade
Apr 19, 2008, 7:24 pm

I found this in graphic folder, item...

EDIT
i made this icon file because i was bored...

Fluffy_Bot
Apr 19, 2008, 11:14 pm

As far as that meteoric steel room goes, using a wand of door creation and unlocking the door also gives you access to the chest.

slob
Apr 20, 2008, 4:51 am

or two scroll of teleport and a ring of telecontrol/blink dog/vermis. tele in grab chest teleout.

Cerumen
Apr 20, 2008, 6:35 pm

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As far as that meteoric steel room goes, using a wand of door creation and unlocking the door also gives you access to the chest.

And if you can't open the chest itself, you can polymorph it into a bunch of high quality stuff!

slob
Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 pm

What a waste! throw the chest at a wall or pray to silva or kick it. Stand over it and fight a golem with no arms while dual wielding shields waiting for the golem to kick open the chest. lots of options.

Cerumen
Apr 21, 2008, 5:25 am

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What a waste! throw the chest at a wall or pray to silva or kick it. Stand over it and fight a golem with no arms while dual wielding shields waiting for the golem to kick open the chest. lots of options.

Gah, that may be, but I still consider polypiling it more creative than ignoring it - and I guess the drop in item "worth" isn't that big.

Ischaldirh
Apr 21, 2008, 5:54 am

Creative yes, but I don't know anyone who in their right mind would ignore it.

Fluffy_Bot
Apr 23, 2008, 2:50 am

Cerumen wrote

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As far as that meteoric steel room goes, using a wand of door creation and unlocking the door also gives you access to the chest.

And if you can't open the chest itself, you can polymorph it into a bunch of high quality stuff!

I was under the impression that polymorphing was a completely random thing. Thus the items you get from polymorphing rocks would be no better than artifacts and valuables.

Ischaldirh
Apr 23, 2008, 3:26 am

This sounds like an experiment time! SLOB!!

slob
Apr 23, 2008, 6:02 am

I totally agree with fluffy. I have tried polypiling with good gear vs balsa sticks and not noticed any difference in the quality of the morphed goods. Thats why I said "what a waste..."

Kyselina
Apr 23, 2008, 12:13 pm

I dunno how to open that chest :/ Got only square and round keys.

slob
Apr 23, 2008, 4:22 pm

read my post above! geez......

Ischaldirh
Apr 23, 2008, 4:37 pm

Wand of Striking.

Z
Apr 23, 2008, 5:20 pm

Some of violent methods for opening chests can have negative consequences if the chest contained a wand, or something holy, like a banana or a hand grenade. You can CM, or wish for a key, or look for Izzy who has it, but that's probably not worth it.

(I am not sure, but it seems that the wand of polymorph does not change contents at all...)

slob
Apr 23, 2008, 6:37 pm

I always kick the chest or throw it against the wall. Only very rarely does something bad happen. However if polymorphing does change only the chest then that would make it one of the better ways to access the contents.

chaostrom
Apr 24, 2008, 6:37 am

I'm fairly sure polymorph only changes the chest.

*TESTING*
...
...
...

Yep, only the chest.

Kyselina
Apr 24, 2008, 6:16 pm

slob wrote

I totally agree with fluffy. I have tried polypiling with good gear vs balsa sticks and not noticed any difference in the quality of the morphed goods. Thats why I said "what a waste..."

Doesn't help.

Cerumen
Apr 25, 2008, 5:12 pm

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I totally agree with fluffy. I have tried polypiling with good gear vs balsa sticks and not noticed any difference in the quality of the morphed goods. Thats why I said "what a waste..."

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However if polymorphing does change only the chest then that would make it one of the better ways to access the contents.

I did some testing. First of all, I was wrong - I don't really know why I got the impression that polymorph is affected by item quality.

But second of all, polymorphing a chest does not alter the contexts, and spills them, explaining why I got high-quality stuff when polymorphing that chest!

RickVoid
Apr 25, 2008, 9:26 pm

Wands of Polymorph and Change Materials

Because the world is my snack bar.

Comrade	Apr 11, 2008, 9:56 pm
Why is that when i play IVAN sometimes my char goes throught his life time and levels up a few times and i start over and i level up like crazy but im weeker than my first one. Why is that? Also, what does vomiting do but vomit out parasites? What does the ring of infravision do?

Comrade	Apr 12, 2008, 2:38 am
Ok thank you, that clears up alot of things.

Neonivek	Apr 12, 2008, 5:59 am
The Tip aad tricks is the section for this to my knowledge... Vomiting has another use. If you vomit on creatures it does damage to them over time The best use of this is Floating Eyes. If you vomit on them (several times is good) they will eventually perish. Vomit is my favorite Floating Eye killer. Though mind you... that it may not be the best strategy...

Cerumen	Apr 12, 2008, 12:39 pm
You can also vomit on doors if you lose your leg(s) and the door is locked, particularly in UT.

Comrade	Apr 13, 2008, 8:17 pm
Why does my turox disappear? Image scaled. Click here to view the full sized image

Ernomouse	Apr 13, 2008, 8:58 pm
If you found it in a chest containing plenty of zomg material, it's a fake. Or, if you are on the mystical dark frog level, the frog makes them go away. But I think that in that case the game would tell you that they teleport away. I'm not sure.

chaostrom	Apr 14, 2008, 5:20 am
No, if it's teleported away it just says it disappears.

Comrade	Apr 19, 2008, 7:24 pm
I found this in graphic folder, item... EDIT i made this icon file because i was bored...

Fluffy_Bot	Apr 19, 2008, 11:14 pm
As far as that meteoric steel room goes, using a wand of door creation and unlocking the door also gives you access to the chest.

slob	Apr 20, 2008, 4:51 am
or two scroll of teleport and a ring of telecontrol/blink dog/vermis. tele in grab chest teleout.

Cerumen	Apr 20, 2008, 6:35 pm
Quote As far as that meteoric steel room goes, using a wand of door creation and unlocking the door also gives you access to the chest. And if you can't open the chest itself, you can polymorph it into a bunch of high quality stuff!

slob	Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 pm
What a waste! throw the chest at a wall or pray to silva or kick it. Stand over it and fight a golem with no arms while dual wielding shields waiting for the golem to kick open the chest. lots of options.

Cerumen	Apr 21, 2008, 5:25 am
Quote What a waste! throw the chest at a wall or pray to silva or kick it. Stand over it and fight a golem with no arms while dual wielding shields waiting for the golem to kick open the chest. lots of options. Gah, that may be, but I still consider polypiling it more creative than ignoring it - and I guess the drop in item "worth" isn't that big.

Ischaldirh	Apr 21, 2008, 5:54 am
Creative yes, but I don't know anyone who in their right mind would ignore it.

Ischaldirh	Apr 23, 2008, 3:26 am
This sounds like an experiment time! SLOB!!

slob	Apr 23, 2008, 6:02 am
I totally agree with fluffy. I have tried polypiling with good gear vs balsa sticks and not noticed any difference in the quality of the morphed goods. Thats why I said "what a waste..."

Kyselina	Apr 23, 2008, 12:13 pm
I dunno how to open that chest :/ Got only square and round keys.

Z	Apr 23, 2008, 5:20 pm
Some of violent methods for opening chests can have negative consequences if the chest contained a wand, or something holy, like a banana or a hand grenade. You can CM, or wish for a key, or look for Izzy who has it, but that's probably not worth it. (I am not sure, but it seems that the wand of polymorph does not change contents at all...)

slob	Apr 23, 2008, 6:37 pm
I always kick the chest or throw it against the wall. Only very rarely does something bad happen. However if polymorphing does change only the chest then that would make it one of the better ways to access the contents.

chaostrom	Apr 24, 2008, 6:37 am
I'm fairly sure polymorph only changes the chest. TESTING ... ... ... Yep, only the chest.

Kyselina	Apr 24, 2008, 6:16 pm
slob wrote I totally agree with fluffy. I have tried polypiling with good gear vs balsa sticks and not noticed any difference in the quality of the morphed goods. Thats why I said "what a waste..." Doesn't help.

RickVoid	Apr 25, 2008, 9:26 pm
Wands of Polymorph and Change Materials Because the world is my snack bar.