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chaostrom
Mar 15, 2008, 5:26 am

Kahvi and Holykiwi are looking to get development going again. Hang tight, and I\'ll keep y\'all posted.

capristo
Mar 15, 2008, 3:55 pm

chaostrom
Sep 21, 2009, 3:30 am

Alright, Kahvi has seemingly disappeared, so Erno and I are organising to take over development. Anyone interested?

Arturion
Sep 23, 2009, 4:12 am

A wild Arturion appears!

I would be willing to help out. I am, however, currently developing my own roguelike in the same vein as (and inspired by) IVAN, so I won\'t be able to dedicate too much time to it.

I\'d love to see IVAN grow, though. It has a ton of potential, and I have hoped for quite a while now that development would continue in some form. I\'ll do anything I can to contribute, within my given limits.

Yes, this is my first post; Hi; I like IVAN and stuff.

Alveradok
Sep 23, 2009, 1:07 pm

Alveradok uses Yodawg ball

Well I\'d like to report myself as One Of The Guys That Always Are Willing To Help And Will Do Just Anything Other Than Coding.

So if we need pixelart, sound or hell, in-game music, I\'ll gladly contribute.

4zb4
Sep 23, 2009, 7:25 pm

I guess I could help. I can make graphics for it and provide a range of sound effects too. I have a decent knowledge of scripting too, but not so much with the source code. That stuff hurts my head.
Jeez this feels like a job interview.

Ernomouse
Sep 23, 2009, 7:47 pm

As there is no pay, everyone will find their place. What we need most are the people familiar with the code, so those who know anything about the source, please come forward!

Arturion
Sep 23, 2009, 9:06 pm

Yeah, I\'ve poked around in the source a bit but I\'m far from being familiar with it. I will delve into it deeper though.

Ernomouse
Sep 26, 2009, 4:16 pm

Anyone know a good C++ course in the internet, or do I \"have\" to go to the bookstore?

Serefan
Sep 26, 2009, 4:18 pm

I don\'t know anything about C++, but I do know some small stuff about the code, if I\'d look into it more, I\'d probably understand most of it. But I wouldn\'t be able to write it myself. I think I have a C++ course next year, but I don\'t know for sure.

If this doesn\'t work out, since nobody knows C++, I wouldn\'t mind having some trusty companions for my project.

Ernomouse
Sep 26, 2009, 5:43 pm

*Ernomouse withdraws from society*
*Ernomouse has claimed his laptop*
*Ernomouse has started a mysterious project - a C++ tutorial*

capristo
Sep 26, 2009, 5:48 pm

I don\'t think there are any C++ websites out there as good as the textbooks.
I recommend these books:

C++ How to Program by Deitel and Deitel
The C Programming Language by Kernighan and Ritchie

You can get older editions which are good enough, for pretty cheap

Ernomouse
Sep 29, 2009, 12:23 pm

I\'ve put up a IVAN development sub-forum. Those intrested, please contact me. People with coding skillz needed. (Yes, you can use the sub-forum now)

Z
Sep 29, 2009, 3:34 pm

This sub-forum is only visible to those allowed? I am not willing to do much work other than talking, but I think I might be helpful anyway.

Serefan
Sep 29, 2009, 3:39 pm

Where can this subforum be found?

Somagu
Sep 29, 2009, 7:43 pm

I see it under programming but I\'m not aware if it\'s because I\'m a mod or not

Serefan
Sep 29, 2009, 8:00 pm

Can\'t find it there.

4zb4
Sep 29, 2009, 8:37 pm

www.attnam.com/viewforum.php?f=19
Last I checked anyway. Besides, I don\'t have permission to access it.

capristo
Sep 29, 2009, 10:00 pm

Erno has it set to Mods only right now, I have to do some coding to let you guys access it

Ernomouse
Sep 30, 2009, 5:48 am

Yes, it\'s set for mods only until capristo adds the seer priviledges. Can be found under programming. I asked Capristo to make it visible to 4zb4, Arturion, Chaostrom and Alveradok. And add Z to that list too. Who else wants sum?

Eagle V
Sep 30, 2009, 5:55 am

I would like to see what you guys are doing... However, I have no applicable skils beyond using paint and a basic grasp of programming. When school is over, I\'ll try reading some of the IVAN code.

Ernomouse
Sep 30, 2009, 5:58 am

We\'ll keep the rest of you posted about what\'s going on. The sub-forum is for the people who are actually willing to do something for the project. You one of those?

Serefan
Sep 30, 2009, 7:15 am

Well, I\'m interested, ofcourse. I am willing to do anything, I don\'t have any knowledge of C++ in particular, but I am able to read the code and know what it does, and I have a decent knowledge of programming in general, so I can probably give general guidelines and hints.

...

*hacks subforum*

...

*inserts porn*

???

PROFIT

Eagle V
Sep 30, 2009, 4:25 pm

Honestly, I don\'t think I can be of use

4zb4
Oct 1, 2009, 3:21 am

I can do some source code stuff. I\'ve been digging through it a few times. Don\'t expect me to go and create some new fangled contraption from scratch though.

capristo
Oct 1, 2009, 8:42 pm

I believe the following members should be able to:
- see the link to \"IVAN Development\" from the main forum page
- view the IVAN Development forum
- read the topics & reply to them in IVAN Development

4zb4, Arturion, Chaostrom, Alveradok, Z, and all mods/admins
Can one of you who is NOT a mod confirm that you can do all of those things?

4zb4
Oct 1, 2009, 9:11 pm

Hi there.
I can view and post in the Ivan Development forum, HOWEVER I cannot see a link to it on the main forum page, and next to Programming there is the word \"private\" where the most recent topic/post should be.
Also, in Programming there is a little section up the top for the sub-forum(s), but it is empty.

capristo
Oct 1, 2009, 9:23 pm

What about now 4zb4?

I think the entire forum\'s fucked up for guests now though. Fuck, my code\'s starting to get too sloppy and unorganized

Alveradok
Oct 1, 2009, 9:56 pm

Capristo!

I can see view the forum and reply to it\'s topics freely, however on the mainpage I see something like in the attached pic.

Cheers.

capristo
Oct 1, 2009, 9:58 pm

I know, I know

Iankill
Oct 6, 2009, 2:56 pm

I\'m also interested in helping with development i know a lot of java and quite a bit about programming in general and next semester i have a course on C++ so I\'ll be of more after Christmas.

sPlatH
Oct 8, 2009, 8:51 am

I have very little time to help but I\'ll do what I can when I can. I know C++ but I\'m not familiar with the source or the scriptsystem yet.

Still, sign me up as a programmer/advisor.

JimmyJ
Oct 11, 2009, 1:55 am

Why is the development subforum going to be restricted? Couldn\'t you just have non-devs unable to post?

Planplan
Oct 13, 2009, 9:27 am

Good idea to organise and try to relaunch dev of IVAN.
Maybe I can help, I\'ve done a bit of source diving by the past, I just wish I have a bit more free time...

JimmyJ
Oct 14, 2009, 1:52 am

Nice to see that you\'re still around, Planplan.

Planplan
Oct 15, 2009, 12:42 pm

I\'m always around, but I have a lot of work and a body that hate that ;P

Ernomouse
Oct 22, 2009, 10:46 am

Capristo, if you haven\'t already, please add sPlath, Iankill and Planplan to the sub-forum.

JimmyJ and others who want to see the sub-forum: It\'s not visible because I, or we, don\'t see any gain from making it visible. If you want to contribute then say so and I\'ll have you added to the \"team\". If not, then wait for our announcements about the progress.

BDR
Oct 22, 2009, 2:25 pm

The pros of visibility, IMO:

1. We get to see what progress (if any) you\'re actually making.

2. We get to know you actually *are* doing something and that this isn\'t just some kind of vaporware (or that the project to resurrect IVAN has died somehow).

3. People who haven\'t joined and aren\'t sure they want to might have more incentive to do so, or at least can judge more accurately whether they\'ll want to or not.

What are your cons?

Ernomouse
Oct 22, 2009, 5:58 pm

All of those can be achieved by giving out information instead of letting you look for it yourselves. Cons of keeping it hidden are that we have the peace and freedom to do what we do. There\'s no idea of having the customer looking over the carpenters shoulder at all times... I don\'t mean to keep anything secret; I just want to keep the development a separate project.

BDR
Oct 23, 2009, 3:36 am

Ok, so in other words if we aren\'t hearing anything nothing is happening? I mean I understand you want to avoid people criticizing the project before it gets off the ground, but I\'m concerned because of what I\'m not seeing. If you guys are still missing key sorts of people, maybe you should go searching for people who might be interested in the jobs needed on other sites; no offense to those who\'ve shown up but betting on people appearing out of thin air to fill needed places isn\'t precisely a winning strategy.

As far as the progress I\'d like to see, something like bi or trimonthly state of the union addressals would be fine (not expecting something like Toady\'s daily updates here, but when it\'s been more or less totally quiet for that long I get antsy and wondering if anything\'s coming of that announcement or if it\'s going to dissipate without explanation the same way the last time someone said they were reviving IVAN development did).

One other thing: if you really want this to be a separate project, why not just make a new section for this? That way things like suggestions, bugs, and announcements have a home in advance (and plausibly relevant topics that already exist can be cribbed into the relevant new spots). Also what could perhaps be done is tagging the hidden board on there instead of in IVAN coding. IVAN variants could stand to get their own section as part of the restructuring, presuming that with the new version comes more active interest (and also could maybe have a buddy in the form of an IVAN variant development subforum).

Planplan
Oct 23, 2009, 8:10 am

Maybe cut the peer in two (don\'t know if this expression exist in English ), allowed people could see and post, others (maybe selected) could just see ?

For my part, I slowly abandoned the forums and my (small) contributions because of the project looking dead, so, maybe a visible forum with restricted post could make both parties happy

I should add that if this project is going to use a system like SVN, we could allow anybody to see the progress in real time.

Just some thought and ideas thrown randomly after waking up

PS : I just don\'t want to see some kind of tension between allowed people on the project forum and the others, we are a small community, we should preserve that.

Eagle V
Oct 23, 2009, 8:20 am

I couldn\'t agree more.

I see no harm at all in allowing every member to see the forum, and, indeed, it would make us happy Also, making it visible would allow people that are curious to just statisfy that curiosity, while they won\'t need to be \'developer\'. The danger exists that people would enlist themselves as developer just to see the progress (and possibly whine about it). Allowing the board to be seen by either everyone, or a \'spectator\' group, would solve that problem.

Ernomouse
Oct 23, 2009, 1:53 pm

And that\'s what we\'ve been discussing, to let everyone see the board. The reason there\'s been so few announcements is maybe that I just had a two weeks honeymoon in Africa, during which I visited the internet whole two times. I don\'t know what you others have been up to during that time, but at least there wasn\'t much to see in the development sub when I came back. And yes, I\'ve asked my friends on facebook for help. We\'ve got plenty of people; even a few with at least some experience in coding. I think we might actually have too many people... We\'ll see. This is a project started by beginneers who don\'t get paid; don\'t expect something to happen after two weeks! It\'ll take way longer than that.

capristo
Oct 23, 2009, 4:25 pm

Maybe visible to contributing members only? i.e. those with 5+ posts?

JimmyJ
Oct 24, 2009, 1:12 am

I don\'t see anything wrong with letting people see, but I can absolutely understand not wanting anyone except the people working on it to be able to post.

BDR
Oct 24, 2009, 3:25 am

Makes sense to me to do it that way too. Both concerns are addressed this way and no more wondering.

Ernomouse
Oct 27, 2009, 7:35 pm

OK, sorry for not responding earlier. The following people should be able to view and post at IVAN development sub-forum. If not, then let me or Capristo know. I\'m making the sub-forum visible to everyone at some point because of the demand. Ugh.

Wave 1: 4zb4, Arturion, Chaostrom, Alveradok, Z, and all mods/admins
Wave 2: sPlath, Iankill and Planplan

I\'m asking, since this far it\'s mostly been me and Chao posting there. Nothing has been achieved as of yet, as far as I know anyway. Chaostrom\'s given a few things to do and I\'ve even given a timeline, but as there has been no response of any kind this far I decided to ask if you guys can see what\'s going on in the sub forum. Planplan had problems earlier, I don\'t know if that\'s been fixed yet. Capristo, would it be easier to start a separate forum for this project?

Planplan
Oct 27, 2009, 8:40 pm

Here what I can see.

capristo
Oct 27, 2009, 10:35 pm

Planplan, you should be able to view it now. All the members Erno just listed should be able to.

chaostrom
Nov 3, 2009, 3:21 am

By the way, does Kahvi have access? I don\'t remember if he was made a mod or not.

Ernomouse
Aug 12, 2010, 4:27 pm

Right, so there has been next to no progress. Anyhoo, we\'ve got new members since last year! May those who are willing and able to actually do something for IVAN step up!

The IvanCon was great! One of the most intresting events was the discussion session with J_Kahvi and the visitors. After the few hours of conversation, we even got J_Kahvi convinced that this might just turn out into something... The summary log\'s attached to this post, now we really only need someone to start doing this.

*zaps a wand of resurrection on IVAN 0.50 once again*

~~There are some problems about attaching the file, I\'ll get to it eventually...~~

EDIT: The file is here now.

BDR
Aug 12, 2010, 6:14 pm

Spreading fire but no \"burning\" state nor \"(x) burned to death on UT1\"? Tragic.

More seriously: I really, really want this to happen but past failure makes me skeptical. No need to rehash any more than that.

chaostrom	Mar 15, 2008, 5:26 am
Kahvi and Holykiwi are looking to get development going again. Hang tight, and I\'ll keep y\'all posted.

chaostrom	Sep 21, 2009, 3:30 am
Alright, Kahvi has seemingly disappeared, so Erno and I are organising to take over development. Anyone interested?

Alveradok	Sep 23, 2009, 1:07 pm
Alveradok uses Yodawg ball Well I\'d like to report myself as One Of The Guys That Always Are Willing To Help And Will Do Just Anything Other Than Coding. So if we need pixelart, sound or hell, in-game music, I\'ll gladly contribute.

4zb4	Sep 23, 2009, 7:25 pm
I guess I could help. I can make graphics for it and provide a range of sound effects too. I have a decent knowledge of scripting too, but not so much with the source code. That stuff hurts my head. Jeez this feels like a job interview.

Ernomouse	Sep 23, 2009, 7:47 pm
As there is no pay, everyone will find their place. What we need most are the people familiar with the code, so those who know anything about the source, please come forward!

Arturion	Sep 23, 2009, 9:06 pm
Yeah, I\'ve poked around in the source a bit but I\'m far from being familiar with it. I will delve into it deeper though.

Ernomouse	Sep 26, 2009, 4:16 pm
Anyone know a good C++ course in the internet, or do I \"have\" to go to the bookstore?

Serefan	Sep 26, 2009, 4:18 pm
I don\'t know anything about C++, but I do know some small stuff about the code, if I\'d look into it more, I\'d probably understand most of it. But I wouldn\'t be able to write it myself. I think I have a C++ course next year, but I don\'t know for sure. If this doesn\'t work out, since nobody knows C++, I wouldn\'t mind having some trusty companions for my project.

Ernomouse	Sep 26, 2009, 5:43 pm
Ernomouse withdraws from society Ernomouse has claimed his laptop Ernomouse has started a mysterious project - a C++ tutorial

capristo	Sep 26, 2009, 5:48 pm
I don\'t think there are any C++ websites out there as good as the textbooks. I recommend these books: C++ How to Program by Deitel and Deitel The C Programming Language by Kernighan and Ritchie You can get older editions which are good enough, for pretty cheap

Ernomouse	Sep 29, 2009, 12:23 pm
I\'ve put up a IVAN development sub-forum. Those intrested, please contact me. People with coding skillz needed. (Yes, you can use the sub-forum now)

Z	Sep 29, 2009, 3:34 pm
This sub-forum is only visible to those allowed? I am not willing to do much work other than talking, but I think I might be helpful anyway.

Serefan	Sep 29, 2009, 3:39 pm
Where can this subforum be found?

Somagu	Sep 29, 2009, 7:43 pm
I see it under programming but I\'m not aware if it\'s because I\'m a mod or not

4zb4	Sep 29, 2009, 8:37 pm
www.attnam.com/viewforum.php?f=19 Last I checked anyway. Besides, I don\'t have permission to access it.

capristo	Sep 29, 2009, 10:00 pm
Erno has it set to Mods only right now, I have to do some coding to let you guys access it

Ernomouse	Sep 30, 2009, 5:48 am
Yes, it\'s set for mods only until capristo adds the seer priviledges. Can be found under programming. I asked Capristo to make it visible to 4zb4, Arturion, Chaostrom and Alveradok. And add Z to that list too. Who else wants sum?

Eagle V	Sep 30, 2009, 5:55 am
I would like to see what you guys are doing... However, I have no applicable skils beyond using paint and a basic grasp of programming. When school is over, I\'ll try reading some of the IVAN code.

Ernomouse	Sep 30, 2009, 5:58 am
We\'ll keep the rest of you posted about what\'s going on. The sub-forum is for the people who are actually willing to do something for the project. You one of those?

Serefan	Sep 30, 2009, 7:15 am
Well, I\'m interested, ofcourse. I am willing to do anything, I don\'t have any knowledge of C++ in particular, but I am able to read the code and know what it does, and I have a decent knowledge of programming in general, so I can probably give general guidelines and hints. ... hacks subforum ... inserts porn ??? PROFIT

Eagle V	Sep 30, 2009, 4:25 pm
Honestly, I don\'t think I can be of use

4zb4	Oct 1, 2009, 3:21 am
I can do some source code stuff. I\'ve been digging through it a few times. Don\'t expect me to go and create some new fangled contraption from scratch though.

capristo	Oct 1, 2009, 8:42 pm
I believe the following members should be able to: - see the link to \"IVAN Development\" from the main forum page - view the IVAN Development forum - read the topics & reply to them in IVAN Development 4zb4, Arturion, Chaostrom, Alveradok, Z, and all mods/admins Can one of you who is NOT a mod confirm that you can do all of those things?

4zb4	Oct 1, 2009, 9:11 pm
Hi there. I can view and post in the Ivan Development forum, HOWEVER I cannot see a link to it on the main forum page, and next to Programming there is the word \"private\" where the most recent topic/post should be. Also, in Programming there is a little section up the top for the sub-forum(s), but it is empty.

capristo	Oct 1, 2009, 9:23 pm
What about now 4zb4? I think the entire forum\'s fucked up for guests now though. Fuck, my code\'s starting to get too sloppy and unorganized

Alveradok	Oct 1, 2009, 9:56 pm
Capristo! I can see view the forum and reply to it\'s topics freely, however on the mainpage I see something like in the attached pic. Cheers.

Iankill	Oct 6, 2009, 2:56 pm
I\'m also interested in helping with development i know a lot of java and quite a bit about programming in general and next semester i have a course on C++ so I\'ll be of more after Christmas.

sPlatH	Oct 8, 2009, 8:51 am
I have very little time to help but I\'ll do what I can when I can. I know C++ but I\'m not familiar with the source or the scriptsystem yet. Still, sign me up as a programmer/advisor.

JimmyJ	Oct 11, 2009, 1:55 am
Why is the development subforum going to be restricted? Couldn\'t you just have non-devs unable to post?

Planplan	Oct 13, 2009, 9:27 am
Good idea to organise and try to relaunch dev of IVAN. Maybe I can help, I\'ve done a bit of source diving by the past, I just wish I have a bit more free time...