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Ischaldirh |
Jan 28, 2008, 3:43 am |
| So I noticed the page on the Gods wasn't complete in the Wiki. Which annoyed me since I've recently decided that I must beat IVAN, and couldn't remember everything about the gods. That and Seges did something unexpected. I know she'll feed you, heal you, etc, but just how I prayed and was given a nice ring of poison resistance, which I don't think I've ever had happen before. |
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Norrock |
Jan 28, 2008, 4:24 am |
| Hmm,interesting.I guess it makes sense though,She is the god of healing...right?Anyways,this must be said:Legifer pwns all. Complete 360 degree destruction FTMFW. |
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Fluffy_Bot |
Jan 28, 2008, 4:53 am |
| Still trying to get my vomit arm from Nefas. | |
Unknown_Entity |
Jan 28, 2008, 6:58 pm |
| Seges once gave me an armor of great health +5. My favorite god by far. | |
Z |
Jan 28, 2008, 10:54 pm |
| I think each god (maybe except the bosses) can give things he/she is a patron of (the same items are accepted as sacrifices). So Loricatus gives weapons, Seges gives healing stuff, Sophos gives scrolls IIRC, and so on. | |
slob |
Jan 29, 2008, 12:47 am |
| I pray religiously in IVAN mellis to dulcis and all god in between, sometimes I'll go up atavaus for his arcanite mail and valpurus for his valpuirum sword or shield. Each god will give you random gives every once in a while, Mellis : Belt of carrying +X, Helment of attractivity +X, ommel fluids (above and beyond his filling of empty containers), gems Loricatus: Flaming swords +X, Plate mail +X, SoHM, SoRep Silva: arcanite staff +X Sophos: SoCM, wand of cloning (pretty sure i got one once) Seges: Stehoscope, Armour of great health +X, healing potions, ring of poison resist Dulcis: SoTaming, Lyre of Charm (awesome), magic whistle, Atavus: arcanite plate mail, scroll of wishing (again pretty sure i got one once) lamp Legifer: SoDM Valpurus: Valpurium sword or shield Not that it matters but isnt this "TIPS TRCKS SECRETS"? |
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Norrock |
Jan 29, 2008, 12:53 am |
| I pretty much only pray to Legifer despite the apparent lack of his Holy Books.Why,you ask?I think you have to be his champion,but sometimes he'll make a gigantic explosin in all adjacent squares,around 5 squares away.So in other words,possibly as big or bigger explosion than a big mine that can't hurt you. | |
Ischaldirh |
Jan 29, 2008, 12:56 am |
| Only praying to one god is wasteful.As for holy books it comes down to luck. Other than Morty and Valp I don't think any gods' book is rarer than any other. | |
Norrock |
Jan 29, 2008, 12:59 am |
| Orly?I seem to get Morty and Valp's book almost as much as Seges's books.as for only praying to one god,I sometimes pray to Seges and Silva too.But Legifer is the shit for dealing with named baddies. | |
Ischaldirh |
Jan 29, 2008, 1:02 am |
| What I mean is, without losing favor with Leg you can safely pray to Seges, Atavus, Dulcis, AND Valpurus, all in the same game. I'd reccomend praying to all (or most) of them at the same time, to make god timers easier to keep track of. | |
Norrock |
Jan 29, 2008, 1:03 am |
| I mostly play LIVAN,which tracks the timers for you.Sort of. | |
Apple |
Jan 29, 2008, 5:06 am |
| Myself I like chatic gods, like Nefas (gives mistresses), Cruentus (Troll Blood and recommends to Mortifier), Mortifier (Neerc Se'Ulb one of the best weapons ever), sometimes Scabies (polymorph, sometimes Leprosy for a close area). | |
Fluffy_Bot |
Jan 29, 2008, 1:05 pm |
| If given the choice, I like to go for Loricatus. Taking the dual hammers from his angels is just delightful, and hardening/repairing your stuff is quite nice. I remember a long time ago I suggested a Cruentus drop for Berserker Gloves on the official forums. Or maybe it was just in IRC. Anyways, what would happen is over time they'd get more and more powerful as blood was splashed on them, slowly adding extra damage to your unarmed attacks. However, if there wasn't blood on the gloves, it would damage the wearer. So basically, when you first put them on they have not tasted blood and thus cause you no damage but not provide a boost to your unarmed attacks. However, if you've been destroying shit on a regular basis and soaking up plenty of blood you'll do a very respectable amount of extra unarmed damage, but if that blood runs out you'll likely be dead within an hour unless you can manage to kill something. Seems like Cruentus's style and would actually make unarmed worth a shit to play with. Thinking about it a bit more, you could probably make them do a balancing act between Arm Strength and Endurance, gradually raising your STR as they soak up blood and gradually draining away your END as they long as they are dry. Would be fucking evil, as these would be permanent bonuses/losses. I like the former idea better, but this approach also seems pretty interesting (though i like the idea of focusing on unarmed damage a bit more since I find unarmed to be the most intense and pure form of combat with only your gloves separating you from the damage you're inflicting). (Yeah, I beat FF1 with a party of 3 monks and a black mage. and I fucking loved it.) |
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Ernomouse |
Jan 29, 2008, 3:32 pm |
| Very interesting idea! There's a problem though; I'd at least take them off if there's a risk of them drying up... That'd leave a pretty much superweapon. | |
Ischaldirh |
Jan 29, 2008, 4:18 pm |
| Cruentus will also enchant your weapons. | |
Sticky |
Jan 29, 2008, 10:05 pm |
| I love Silva. Gave me an arm out of rose quartz once, and then when my leg fell off I got an ommel hair leg. I was owning fools. |
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slob |
Jan 30, 2008, 1:43 am |
| Legifer gives amulets of ESP too | |
Ischaldirh |
Jan 30, 2008, 1:45 am |
| Legifer does? That seems odd. Personally Silva is among my "avoid" gods (right next to Scabies). Sure, she'll feed you and might give you some nice limbs, but the earthquakes are more trouble than they're worth in my opinion, and the pets... well, I don't like pets much, since they tend to run off and kill everything, leaving nothing for me to kill, which means I die once I do actually have to fight something. |
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Fluffy_Bot |
Jan 30, 2008, 8:48 am |
Ernomouse wrote Very interesting idea! There's a problem though; I'd at least take them off if there's a risk of them drying up... That'd leave a pretty much superweapon. Well why the hell would you take them off?! I mean, they're only really useful if they've been on for an extended period of time and, if you do take them off you have no other weapon skills to speak of (or any individual weapons you have any degree of specialization in for that matter), leaving you virtually helpless. I see what you're getting at, but I guess I just don't see why you'd ever take them off. Besides, if times really get tough you could always dip the gloves in troll blood. In fact, that could actually be an interesting way to add on extra damage during the really tough fights. That always seemed like the Cruentus way to me, ditching your personal safety for the pursuit of combat and carnage. |
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Somagu |
Jan 30, 2008, 8:57 am |
| Thread moved, no shadow, because shadows only clutter things up. | |
Ernomouse |
Jan 30, 2008, 2:51 pm |
| You mean the bonus would go zero if you remove the gloves? Well... Interesting theory. If you have something other in mind, please enlighten me. | |
Fluffy_Bot |
Jan 30, 2008, 3:26 pm |
Ernomouse wrote You mean the bonus would go zero if you remove the gloves? Well... Interesting theory. If you have something other in mind, please enlighten me. You know, as I was playing a funny thing happened. I had +3 steel gloves and was absolutely destroying everything in my path until Rondol came along and spanked the living shit out of me without taking a scratch. However, against just about everything I came up against I was ripping arms, legs and heads off like there was no tomorrow. It occurred to me that, with a more tactical approach unarmed could probably be extremely useful, but I still don't haven't tested enough to be able to verify its usefulness. For example, I'm not sure if the +X bonuses to your gloves affect your unarmed damage, if a heavier gauntlet does more damage than a lighter one regardless of AC (bronze > adamantite?) and I wasn't even paying much attention to how well I ended up parrying either. What I do know is that I wasn't doing so hot against carnivorous plants, but anything with detachable limbs didn't last very long against me (except the aforementioned Rondol, of course). I'm gonna keep playing around with unarmed to see what kind of results I can get, but so far it's looking like it can be a lot more impressive than I originally thought. If you want to get a good look at just how damn impressive it can be get yourself an angel and strip it of its equipment. Force it not to change its gear and you'll end up with a buzzsaw that can rip through just about anything in a few hits. You might also want to try putting some heavy mitts, a decent cape and armor on him and see what you can do with it. Back to the topic at hand though: Nefas. Drunken boxing. I WISH. |
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Ischaldirh |
Jan 31, 2008, 6:54 am |
Fluffy_Bot wrote [...]if a heavier gauntlet does more damage than a lighter one regardless of AC (bronze > adamantite?)[...] Actually this isn't entirely accurate... adamant is the 3ed densest material in the game (10000). Only silver (10500) and gold (11000) are heavier. |
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Fluffy_Bot |
Jan 31, 2008, 1:36 pm |
Atomic wrote Fluffy_Bot wrote [...]if a heavier gauntlet does more damage than a lighter one regardless of AC (bronze > adamantite?)[...] Actually this isn't entirely accurate... adamant is the 3ed densest material in the game (10000). Only silver (10500) and gold (11000) are heavier. Yeah, poor choice. Should've said Mithril since it's much lighter but has a higher AC, which illustrates my question better. Wasn't thinking very clearly as I was dead tired at that point. |
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slob |
Jan 31, 2008, 5:07 pm |
| I thought gold was 20000 density | |
Pyk3 |
May 10, 2008, 3:27 pm |
| *Zapping wand of resurrection on this thread* I usually pray lawful gods and my favorite is Legifer. It's easy to get angel from him, since laterns are pretty much the most common items in Ivan. Scapies seems to hate me most, since she usually polymorphs me into something weak even when she is happy (once into a pork golem when fighting against Guugzamesh) and when I use chameleon whip she polymorphs my enemies into something really nasty... |
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slob |
May 10, 2008, 8:20 pm |
| To pray to scabies you really need some kind of polycontrol. If you have a ring it is no prob, if you don;t have a ring you can either let a few magic mushrooms grow on a level and get polycontrol by going in and out of the clouds or pray to infuscor with ESP and Telecontrol to get him to give you polycontol. Once scabies likes you well enough she will give you a ring of Polycontrol. It's lots of fun when she gives a whole level Leprosy (You sense a vile disease spreading) |
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capristo |
May 10, 2008, 10:38 pm |
| I usually go with Loricatus and Mellis (as I've mentioned) but I'm going to have to try Scabies & Infuscor. They sound much more useful than I originally thought. | |
slob |
May 11, 2008, 12:40 am |
| If you are going to pray to Infuscor you have two good choices - pray Mortifer to Mellis if you wan't Neerc Seulb or pray Infuscor to Loricatus. If you pray to only 2 Gods then you are not realizing you maximum religious potential. Prayin to a God (or offering or reading a book) boosts your relation ship with that god and gods that are within one alignment unit. It has no effects on gods that are two alignment units away and has a deleterious effect on your relation ship with gods 3 or more units away. In practice what this means in that you can pick a central god and then pray to gods within 2 alignment units on either side. Eg., I usualy pick Silva as my central god and then can pray to Mellis, Loricatus, Silva, Sophos, Dulcis and Seges. Therefore, if you want to pray to Infuscor and Scabies, you could also pray to Cruentus, Nefas, Cleptia, Mellis and Loricatus (or swap Mortifer for loricatus). Of course if you pick mortifer it means just read his books and donate bones/skulls/scythes, eat human flesh etc. Once you become champion of all these gods then you can start adding other gods within 3 alignment units of center, or you can move your center 1 and start praying to other gods. Just to give you an idea of how much you can move around, I have become a champion of Cruentus and champion of Valpurus in the same game (but not at the same time). Note, the higher your wisdom the more of an effect praying/offering has and thus the easier it is to change your alignment/gods. |
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Cerumen |
May 11, 2008, 12:28 pm |
Quote It's lots of fun when she gives a whole level Leprosy (You sense a vile disease spreading) I used to like that before I realised you can easily get infected yourself.  Quote Prayin to a God (or offering or reading a book) boosts your relation ship with that god and gods that are within one alignment unit. It has no effects on gods that are two alignment units away and has a deleterious effect on your relation ship with gods 3 or more units away. In practice what this means in that you can pick a central god and then pray to gods within 2 alignment units on either side. Eg., I usualy pick Silva as my central god and then can pray to Mellis, Loricatus, Silva, Sophos, Dulcis and Seges. Therefore, if you want to pray to Infuscor and Scabies, you could also pray to Cruentus, Nefas, Cleptia, Mellis and Loricatus (or swap Mortifer for loricatus). Of course if you pick mortifer it means just read his books and donate bones/skulls/scythes, eat human flesh etc. Wow, a nice piece of info. I just assumed previously that it's something of a neutral/lawful/chaotic division system, but the exact mechanics are nice to know. |
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Pyk3 |
May 11, 2008, 1:49 pm |
| Today Infuscor was very friendly. I didn't know she can give wand of lightnings. She also gave me arcanite staff of wonderous smells +3. I have to try to pray Scabies again, I just have to get that whole level lepsory thing. | |
Apple |
May 11, 2008, 5:07 pm |
| The whole level leprosy thing is especially fun in the zombie level (loads of baddies) or in New Attnam or even Attnam. | |
slob |
May 11, 2008, 5:31 pm |
That would be a cool way to get the Justifier. Give Attnam Leprosy and get Petrus to chase you until his right arm falls off  |
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chaostrom |
May 11, 2008, 10:46 pm |
Unfortunately, Petrus is immune to leprosy  |
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slob |
May 12, 2008, 1:41 am |
| Darn. I never knew that. | |
chaostrom |
May 12, 2008, 3:34 am |
Yeah. For tips on beating the game, people refer to you. For random crap like that, come to me  Uh, seriously though. Once I filled the cathedral with zombies in the hopes of scoring the Justifier easily. It didn't seem to be working, so I possessed him, killed and ate a zombie, possessed myself then checked him with a stethoscope. Nada. |
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slob |
May 12, 2008, 5:32 am |
eating a zombie doesn;t always give you leprosy. I know because i play with natural limbs and once accidently prayed to Silva instead of Seges and got a Dragon hide limb. I tried everything to get rid of it, I broke all my traps by setting them while stessed and getting my arm stuck - it didn;t lose a single hit point. Then i ate like 4 zombies and still didn't get leprosy!!!  |
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chaostrom |
May 12, 2008, 5:57 am |
| Depends. Was it a zombie to start with or was it a zombie of *foo*? | |
slob |
May 12, 2008, 6:55 am |
| they were zombies tfrom the get go, it was on UT1, no necromancer's had spawned yet. | |
chaostrom |
May 12, 2008, 8:08 am |
| Hmm... This needs looking into. | |
slob |
May 12, 2008, 6:20 pm |
| check Char.dat maybe it says in there. | |
capristo |
May 13, 2008, 12:32 am |
I've eaten zombies intentionally before to get rid of shitty limbs (after praying to gods that are displeased with me - that is, somebody else prayed to a displeased god during my communal game :mad and it didn't get me leprosy. |
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Zareth |
May 14, 2008, 7:28 pm |
| Loricatus is actually a fun god to get -angry- at you, of all things. If you make him mad, he can, to my knowledge, only do two things to you: Summon his angels/archangels (only if you make him -really- mad at you) Or, much more likely, turn your weapon into banana flesh. Which you can then eat. He'll only turn one thing at a time though, and I think right hand is the priority. Still a funny way to pick up some extra food, though. I tend to pray to loricatus 2-3 times in a row whenever I do; the first time for a positive effect (+1 weapon, repair, limb restoration, etc.) then the rest I equip a single high weight junk item and get him to make it food. |
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BDR |
May 15, 2008, 4:27 am |
| Loricatus can smite you if you piss him off enough. I know because I did it once when dying of hunger. | |
slob |
May 15, 2008, 4:32 am |
| Are you sure you are not thinking of Legifer? He smites you with righteous fire. | |
BDR |
May 15, 2008, 5:47 am |
| Ah, I just rechecked. I was actually killed by Loricatus' archangel. | |
chaostrom |
Jul 20, 2009, 7:22 am |
| [quote=\"chaostrom\";5329]Hmm... This needs looking into. After all this time... It is done. Petrus is, in fact, not immune to leprosy. Infect away boys, I see a nugget town in future...  |
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4zb4 |
Jul 20, 2009, 7:23 am |
| Chao has turned into a thread necromancer! The end is nigh! |
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chaostrom |
Jul 20, 2009, 7:24 am |
| No no no. Look at my sig. | |
4zb4 |
Jul 20, 2009, 7:27 am |
| Yes, it seems you have quite a nack for bringing about the end of the world. A pineapple for you, fine sir  |
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chaostrom |
Jul 20, 2009, 7:30 am |
| Why thank you, fine sir, but that will not prevent the inevitable |
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